I'm just tightening down TurnOver and would like the community's feedback on apps you most struggle with on Mac when using VoiceOver. There are some apps that work well with voiceover, of course... But I'm interested in the ones you wish were easier to use.
I'll Have a public beta of TurnOver out soon, but do want to know where to focus my efforts in patching VoiceOver's shortcommings.
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Apps
apps and websites
Apps.
Microsoft Word.
Website websites.
Instagram, Facebook, X, Google Docs/sheets, Microsoft Office online, YouTube, occasionally, BBC, tech advisor
apps
Microsoft Office (Excel, Word etc), Microsoft Teams, iWork (Pages, Numbers etc), App Store, Safari, social media (Facebook, Messenger etc)and shopping (eBay and Amazon) sites, Finder, Chrome, Brave, native Mail app.
Opera
Opera, WhatsApp, Google messages, Spotify, Discord, Kinda, iMovie,
Apps
WhatsApp, Libre Office, Music, Preview, Fastmail. Others will no doubt occur to me.
Thank you for these
These are very helpful. Thank you. Of course, eventually I'd like Turnover to work with every app better than voiceover, but I do want to get the most used ones sorted first.
apps
Parallels I don't struggle but it would be nice to have it accessible without ocr but it’s not a problem to use, for me at any rate.
Seconding as well pages, numbers, word etc. Microsoft teams too, to be fair this app is a nightmare as well on windows, its the app's ishue not the reader's but yeah.
Those are all that come to my head for now.
all of the above
Everyone so far has said every APp I could think of. lol
But yeah all of them.
What are the problems with Mail?
I'm just curious. Other than dumping me at the oldest message occasionally since updating to 27, it seems fine to me.
Mozilla Apps
The world would be a bit sweeter if running Firefox and Thunderbird on macOS were as smooth as they are on Doze under NVDA, since you asked.
And think about toolkits. QT is the obvious thing to target to make useful apps more accessible, including the mentioned KeePassXC and Parallels.
screen recognition.
I don't have issues with many of the apps listed here, especially the apple ones. What I would like to see in a screenreader is screen recognition, similar to that on iOS. It's always been a source of frustration that Apple ported pretty much every iOS feature over, besides that. Having screen recognition would make not only inaccessible apps more usable, but probably also virtual machines. You can get around somewhat using VOCR, but it doesn't help when, for example, you're trying to install an OS that doesn't speak in a virtual machine as you've no means to determine control types or selection status. If the screen recognition feature could atempt to identify the type of control, and either form an accessible layer that maps the control coordinates to accessible elements, or identified things like ticks on radio buttons or the status of dropdown selections, it would be a standout feature.