would you buy an Apple self driving car?

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i was wishing apple would make something like this, but with all its hardware and software bugs, i don't feel i can trust them with my life, as i can't even trust them my iphone will work correctly. that doesn't mean there is no hope:

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3624591-gm-cruise-to-seek-ok-for-self-dri…

would you dare driving something like this when the time comes?

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Submitted by OldBear on Thursday, October 22, 2020

No. It would cost more than it's worth, and cost even more to maintain.
If they could work out how to alert blind people of the arrival at pick up and drop off, I would ride in a self driving Apple taxi.

Submitted by Siobhan on Thursday, October 22, 2020

I'd most definitely do it. Parking would be a pain in the butt but i'm fearless so bring it. plus, it'd make me easier to take out on dates cuz I'll drive. :)

Submitted by Fred on Thursday, October 22, 2020

Not if it was running IOS 14.1

Submitted by Holger Fiallo on Thursday, October 22, 2020

Until quantum computers are ready to be use, self driving cars will be a nice thing but not a reality specially in cities like Chicago, New York, and so on. I would like to have one.

Submitted by peter on Thursday, October 22, 2020

I think self driving cars will eventually not only make travel a lot easier for folks who are visually impaired but will also make driving safer in general.

In fact, when I think of how poorly some of my older friends drive, I am even more convinced of the benefit of self driving cars. As people get older their reaction times slow down, their attention wanders, on coming car lights often bother them with glare, and many of them don't even look backward when they are backing up. So I don't consider self driving cars just an accessibility issue for the blind.

The most dangerous part of having self driving cars on the road these days is the presence of people driving manual cars. People are very unpredictable in their behavior, tend to get frustrated and take erratic and unpredictable actions, and are also prone to the issues cited above. The result is that self driving cars that follow strict algorithms of behavior can easily get confused thinking that all of the other cars on the road will be acting logically.

Eventually all cars on the road will ideally have sensors that enable them to talk with each other to optimize their paths and know what all the other cars on the road are doing and where they intend on being in the next seconds. Thus each car will know when and where another car intends to turn, go through a cross street, etc. We're not quite there yet but this day is coming in the not to distant future.

If you read up on the history of elevators you will see that people had the exact same reluctance about automated elevators in the early days as they do about self driving cars. The early elevators used to have people driving them up and down and stopping at each floor. People were fearful of getting into an elevator without an elevator operator to control the system. We can't even imagine how that was but now it is perfectly normal to just get into an elevator and have confidence that you won't die!

Anyway, I'm sure the time will come when self driving cars will seem just as natural and safe.

--Pete

Submitted by OldBear on Thursday, October 22, 2020

In reply to by peter

I've ridden with drivers and worried for my life, even been in a car crash with one of them.
I wouldn't buy one from Apple, as things are now. It would have to be replaced in a few years because it couldn't be upgraded and they no longer support the software. It would cost far more than I could afford anyway. Not sure they would communicate so well with other autonomous vehicles in the future either. That's OK for a phone, but not transportation.

Submitted by kool_turk on Friday, October 23, 2020

If Siri is driving? hell no!

On a more serious note, I think we still have a way to go before we have self driving vehicles.

I don't think it would work if the road had a mix of both.

We can't have self driving vehicles on the road while there are human drivers.

It's like one of the posts said, things are already complicated enough.

Now if they were all fully automated, and they can talk to each other, and all we had to do is sit back and enjoy the ride, then, and only then will I consider a self driving vehicle.

Submitted by DMNagel on Friday, October 23, 2020

I just can't see humans giving up their control just for the sake of a self driving car. Some people are just... shall we say... too much alive. To answer the question, if the car can deal with human quirks, why not?

Submitted by DPinWI on Friday, October 23, 2020

I don't think self driving cars, from Apple or anyone else, are right around the corner, but I think they are coming. I would ride in one. As others have said, I have had some very scary rides with humans behind the wheel, and I figure a fully approved self driving car would not be worse. The networking of cars would make a major safety improvement. Currently driver's broadcast their intentions to turn with turn signals,. But some do, some don't. Some turn them on much too soon, and some as they are rounding the corner. Automated cars would know where another car is going to turn, and when.

The major gains come when all cars are automatic, but even in the short term, and in situations where applicable, there are safety and environmental gains to be made.

All that said, I don't see me owning one. They would be more than I could afford, and so long as I could hail one with my phone and expect it to arrive in a timely manner, I don't need to own it.

Submitted by roman on Friday, October 23, 2020

Hello everyone. this is a great idea! I love cars and enjoy ride in them. Yes the car would be very expensive, but I will figure something out. I love apple.

Submitted by gailisaiah on Friday, October 23, 2020

In reply to by peter

Hi Pete: I agree with your post. But I don't think all cars will be self-driving in our lifetime. But yes I would like to be able to get one of those and it would connect to my phone and say something like, “Good morning G. I will take you on to work. But, is there any other stops you need to make on the way such as to get a coffee?”. But all that is many years after I’ve left this earth.

Submitted by Holger Fiallo on Friday, October 23, 2020

In reply to by DMNagel

FYI. In the beginning of the history of airplanes, people control them. Now computers run the plane you use to flight.

Thanks G.

Yes, it will probably be some time. First there is the reluctance of people to make a change like that, and then there is the fact that current cars last a long time these days and we have to wait for all of them to reach end of life!

--Pete

Submitted by Bob Cavanaugh on Saturday, October 24, 2020

This is a good question, and one that I haven't heard discussed much among the blindness community. I can't decide whether or not I'd own one, I've been going back and forth on this for a while. In many instances though, I'd ride in one though. My biggest concern isn't actually driving, but making sure the car is located where it needs to be. For instance, let's say you are going to a large business park. When I have to call an Uber driver who is picking me up, or verbally tell a driver dropping me off exactly where I need to be, that's a situation where I wouldn't trust a self-driving car.

Submitted by LaBoheme on Sunday, October 25, 2020

In reply to by Bob Cavanaugh

quote, For instance, let's say you are going to a large business park. When I have to call an Uber driver who is picking me up, or verbally tell a driver dropping me off exactly where I need to be, that's a situation where I wouldn't trust a self-driving car. unquote

well, if your car is smart enough to deal with all the crazy situation in the street, it surely can drop you off at the point you want to be, goes park itself, and comes for you again when you whistle.

i just hope car makers don't initially try to flood the market with tiny coupé as a cheaper option. a car like this would probably cost $75000 to start with the most basic model. if one is going to spend that kind of money, then one ought to go big. something like the cadillac ct6 or the bmw 7 series would be good. put their proven technology in these models, starting at around $140000, then i'll take a serious look.

Submitted by PaulMartz on Sunday, October 25, 2020

Member of the AppleVis Blog Team

I'd use an Apple self-driver if it were designed for sighted users. It would be high-quality, feature-rich, and comfortable. But if it were designed for blind users, it would be buggy, the user interface would change with every release, and it would constantly mispronounce"Main Street" as "Main Saint".

Submitted by Chris on Monday, October 26, 2020

The short answer is no! Knowing Apple, it would be ridiculously expensive and impossible to repair. Let's also not forget that it wouldn't talk to anything else besides other Apple cars because of Apple's obsession with proprietary products. I wouldn't be surprised if it became obsolete in 4 years because Apple is great at playing the planned obsolescence game.

Submitted by Siobhan on Monday, October 26, 2020

Would I buy it because it's Apple? No. Would i expect it to be perfect, absolutely not. In truth, Apple is losing sight of who they are faster then the pandemic. they have so much new stuff out, that developing this along with the car play thing, the watch, they don't really want to do anything but keep putting out flashy over-priced product. In truth, the car would probably be obselete faster then it would take the person to save up money to buy it.

Submitted by SeasonKing on Thursday, November 5, 2020

In reply to by Holger Fiallo

FYI, have a pilot as one of my friends, and he strongly voices the fact that even today plains can't take off without pilot. No matter how sophisticated the tech becomes, when it all fails, it's a human who thinks out of box, and tries to get you to the destination.
Again, to clarify, computers don't fly plains, pilots are in controle all the time, or else you've got the 737Max fiasco at hand.
I believe it will be similar even for vehicles on ground, as the roads are extreamly dynamic, extreamly unpredictable, and you can't asume that others won't be idiots. That includes other drivers, pedestrians, maintenance guys for roads as well as cars, or even animals.

Submitted by DMNagel on Thursday, November 5, 2020

In reply to by SeasonKing

I was going to reply on that, but decided not to. The person probably took auto pilot for self piloting. Oh well, you make some excellent points.

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