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Submitted by J.P. on Thursday, January 24, 2013

It is by invite. You have to apply. It is a Google, so you must apply with gmail account. Here is link to apply http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/about It can take a while for approval, but they will approve yu. Be patient.

Submitted by jrjolley (not verified) on Thursday, January 24, 2013

In reply to by J.P.

Typical blindness list, moderate viewpoints that you don't like and throw folks off. I'd not bother subscribing to them anyway, what exactly is visionary about using a mac these days? Nothing! It is a clique for the invited few.

Submitted by Janet I on Friday, January 25, 2013

Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the link. When I filled out all the information and activated the "apply to this group" link, the next page loaded with a 404 error that the page cann't be displayed. I tried it with different web brousers and had the same result. Any ideas?

Submitted by J.P. on Friday, January 25, 2013

Hi Janet, you might want to try a couple things. First try reloading page. This method is easiest,and usually works. If this doesn't work, try clearing cookies in browser and try again. I know this is still an active page, because I can log in. Good Luck!

Submitted by Chris Gilland on Friday, January 25, 2013

Though I am not the type to normally bash moderators nor lists publicly, I must say that the moderation job at MacVisionaries is ridiculous! I totally agree with what James Jolley is saying. Need I say any more. MOst people know my views on the management of the list, and well, if you don't, then be glad you don't, as if I said what I really felt, I'd probably never be allowed to post on Applevis ever again as it would be so vulgar, so, alas, I'll hold my tongue. I kind a wonder if Applevis has their own e-mail mailing list. If not, that would be awesome to make one! What do you think, David? LOL!

Submitted by pammyj55kc on Friday, January 25, 2013

I do not understand, why the list became invitation only. I joined it quite a while ago. It is been very helpful. Those who choose to bash a list comprising of people helping people, are not being fair to those who truly need tthe help. It would be a real shame to see that list go away.

Submitted by J.P. on Friday, January 25, 2013

It doesn't matter what list you're on Chris, all you do is bitch! The world doesn't own you anything because you're blind.

Submitted by jrjolley (not verified) on Friday, January 25, 2013

In reply to by Chris Gilland

Hi folks and Chris specifically I think, I brought up the list moderation because it is very difficult to make a point on there without irritating the mods. I admit, I can be rather abrasive at times and often do say what I think about stuff. Some people like that approach, some don't. I was thrown off the list a couple of times for being honest to folk and asking them to try and learn stuff for themselves. There was a specific post asking "what do I do with the doc" "How do I move between controls" that sort of thing. While everyone was pandering to this individual, I suggested that they read something called a manual and at least try stuff on there own. It is my experience that many blind folks don't even attempt to learn, they get stuck, thus they cry on a list for assistance. On a personal level, I enjoy learning about how stuff works. I got a mac in 2007, learnt it on my own and got on with it. That's part of the fun with computing. There are so many ways to learn about mac stuff these days, podcast demos being one such example. This is partly why I won't review for main menu and other programs. People expect hand-holding and i'm not doing it. I'm prepared to discuss the product/application, but i'm not saying "i'm pressing VO D, VO space" whatever a thousand times because we assume someone doesn't know VO. If they don't know the system, learn or listen to another podcast. Sorry for rambling but it is a shame that many blind users don't get any credit for going it alone and making an effort. To finish, I understand that Mr. Gilland is a sound engineer by trade and being a fellow electronic musician myself with a BSC in the subject, we often use tools that are extremely graphical. We often learn little work arounds, you know the sort of thing "23 presses of down, 2 left, 1 up, and a kiss to the gods to turn local off on your MIDI synthesizer". I think it's why I get abrasive, because in that sort of business you can't play on a list, you have deadlines to meat. Anyway, enough. Just wanted to state why I reacted how I did.

As I stated, the list in principle is fine, the moderation is pathetic. Why are we playing on lists in 2013, why not a forum like most sighted people? I understand for smaller projects, testing software and such that lists are fine but really, I could care less that someone isn't prepared to learn what the finder is and asks the same 2 questions every 5 minutes. Mac visionaries has one vision, cloud any thought that isn't from the cabal.

HI, I don't think the world owes me anything personally. I've worked to get my skill set up and I am sure Mr. Gilland has also. I suppose bitchyness is now a definition of "wanting things to work out for you". We tend to do this in the blind community, pander to the lowest common denominator when it comes to feature requests and such. I'm for taking this kit to as higher level as possible and realising that if we all learn stuff as a collective, we get more impressive results. I don't think Chris is wrong in wanting that. I also don't know if he bitches or not, i'm not on any lists apart from the I.D Mate one.