David Earl, Product Manager for Logic Pro X here again with some news!
We have just released a followup to Logic Pro X, 10.5 with a new update, 10.5.1
We have added some accessibility enhancements that I wanted you to know about.
•. When Logic is launched for the first time on a system with VoiceOver activated, a dialog offering to change all plug-in windows to Controls View is now displayed.
• VoiceOver now announces the Show/Hide Library command when it is performed with a key command.
The biggest deal is the controls view. Previously, the best way to navigate a plugin in Logic was to enter the 'controls view' to get sliders and buttons instead of a graphical UI. This used to be a bit painful because you had to do it plugin by plugin. Now we have a dialog that pops up when you first launch Logic with VoiceOver activated, asking you if you would like to put ALL plugins in controls view.
This should make things just a bit easier.
We have also included lots of tweaks in other areas, but this was the most important change we wanted you to know about.
Look for more tweaks to our accessibility features as we move forward. Thank you!
Take good care,
....and here are some release notes for you all:
Thanks so much for not only implementing all this, but bringing us all this news. I think I can speak for all blind people on this forum when I say that we want to hear about the changes and improvements in accessibility, in not only Logic, but other Apple apps as well. And not only apps, but Apple's operating systems as well. I for one hope that this is a trend moving forward, for accessibility leaders at Apple to reach out to the community to tell us what's new, what's changed, what they're aware of as being broken. May this outreach from Apple continue, bringing further collaboration and a better ecosystem of apps, operating systems, and services.
thanks for engaging
As a long-time member of the AppleVis community, I'd just like to say that I greatly appreciate your engagement on the accessibility of Logic. I think if more people from Apple followed this example with information about iOS, macOS and other software products, that could go a long way toward opening a line of communication between Apple developers and forum users who bring a diverse range of experiences and perspectives to Apple's platforms.
Keep up the good work.
Another great news.
Another great news.
Logic is becoming more and more available and lot thanks for it.
Great initiative to let the AppleVis community know first hand about this improvements! I'll dive more deeply into Logic during the summer, but I am more hopeful now!
I don't use logic at the moment but I have a question.
I'm using Garageband and the automation function is not accessible with VoiceOver, is this function accessible in Logic? Or is there a plan to make that function accessible in both apps.
Wow! I have the new update. It's amazing! How do I set that setting you mentioned about using the controls in the plugins? I already started using the new update.
Thank you so much for this! It's wonderful to see your engagement with the community.
Thanks for reaching out to the community. While I'm not a Logic user, I love the community interaction. I hope this expands by having more accessibility engineers interact with us more directly, particularly on the deteriorating state of VoiceOver in macOS.
For now, this is in Preferences > General > Mixer
There is a button for 'Open in controls view'
When VoiceOver is on, and Logic is opened for the first time, it should ask, but if it does not, this is where you can find it.
Message is a bit of a strech
So when you go into a plugin in the new update it says that it will make all plugins accessible by going into the controls view. Well You might want to change that message to something like would you like to make all plugins to to controls view by default? That will make some plugins more accessible but not every plugin will be usable. Example, Addictive Drums or really anything from Native Instruments. The reason why is because it's all graphics. Some plugins don't even have parameters for the controls view. So unless you want to make false claims I'd suggest you change the message. I wish apple had some way to make all plugins accessible but as of now the closest thing to that we're going to get is komplete kontrol which only uses software instruments and not audio plugins.
Automation Is Pretty Accessible
Automation is pretty accessible on Logic.
You can find tutorials on automation by other blind users below.
Also, control+command+e opens track automation event list that lets you edit in fine detail.
I can't find the button for Controls View in Preferences
Controls View location
'Open all plugins in controls view' is located at:
Preferences > Dispay Tab > Mixer Tab (within the Display Tab)
Turns out you have to enable Advanced Tab first
I couldn't find the Controls View feature at first. It turns out several tabs such as Display only appear if you enable the Advance tab at the end. Just thought I'd mention it in case anyone else has problems finding it. :)
Just asking those who know. How hard is it to learn Logic and would it be useful for doing sound editing with podcasts? Just curious since I'm always interested in apps that can make things easier with built-in accessibility and accessible features. If it would work for this purpose, can anyone point out a good tutorial for blind users? Preferably free since I'm cheap. lol