roder bloat

iOS & iPadOS

I know that the roder is a powerful tool for changing settings. However, it seems that it just keeps growing and has so many items that it's a struggle to quickly and easily find the appropriate item when needed. I call this condition rodder bloat. In other words we have too much of a good thing. What would be really be handy is to offload rodder items to siri. Imagine how much easier it would be to say something like select text or visited links. Powerful tools should be made as simple as possible.



Submitted by treky fan on Tuesday, August 11, 2020

Hi. You can adjust what things are shown your roder by going to voiceover settins and double tappingon roder. Once there, just double tap the items you want. Voiceover will indicate if the item is selected or not. Also, there is no need to post the same forum topic twic.

Submitted by Joe on Wednesday, August 12, 2020

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For me I don't like using Siri in public so saying something like visited link doesn't make sense while in public. I scale mine down now that you can assign gestures. Example headings for me is swipe left or right with 2 fingers.

Submitted by OldBear on Wednesday, August 12, 2020

I doubt they would consider that, though it's a good idea: "Siri, rotor, headings."

I have different rotor needs for different apps, and the order of the options would be better in different arrangements, so a bunch of items have to be there, and not in an optimized order.

My biggist gripe is that the switching between options takes too many turn gestures. It seems like there's empty spots or clicks on the wheel and it takes a couple of twists to get from characters to words next to it, for example. This increases the likelihood of one of my fingers touching the screen out of sync and moving the focus out of the edit field, or the phone mistaking the rotor gesture for the pinch gesture because I'm trying to speed things up. I find myself turning the phone at the same time because I can't turn my fingers far enough without lifting my fingers off the screen and repeating the gesture.

I'm considering changing the gesture to the two-finger-swipe right and left. I think I could whip through the functions very quickly that way without bungling everything.

Submitted by OldBear on Thursday, August 13, 2020

So I changed the rotor gesture to the two-finger-swipe left and right. It's much, much easier now.
The two-finger-swipe changes to the next or previous rotor function each time the gesture is performed, no empty clicks like with the twist gesture. I can zip through the whole rotor's cycle in a few seconds.

Submitted by KE7ZUM on Thursday, August 13, 2020

I've ben able to do this for a while since 2010. All I do is treat it like a 1 click nob. Turn, turn, turn, not continuous turn. I really don't see the issue here, plus I agree with who ever said that using siri in public is not really an option..

For some reason, I've always had problems with the gesture being interpreted as the pinch selection gesture, or one finger meeting the screen a little before the other and moving the focus and becoming a double tap when trying to repeat the gesture quickly, so I avoided lifting my fingers off the screen during the twisting. Doesn't matter now that I've changed it.

If Siri were the only way to change the rotor setting, I wouldn't like that in public either.

Submitted by KE7ZUM on Saturday, August 15, 2020

It's not. a pinch gesture. Picture a nob with a spring. We all remember those where one click was all you got. Just do that motion. I can't discribe exactly but I do the same one on mac as well.

If you have two fingers on the screen and you move them slightly toward each other, it is interpreted as a pinch gesture, regardless of what you intend to do. The rotor gesture requires two fingers to be placed on the screen, and at least one finger must move. When I do the rotor gesture quickly, sometimes one of my fingers moves out of alignment, and the phone thinks it is a pinch gesture. Sometimes, I don't hit both fingers on the screen at exactly the same time and this is seen as a double tap, again, when I am doing the gesture quickly. It helps to hold one finger in place and move the other, but I get more double tap mistakes. Slowing the gesture down makes the rotor feel bloated to me.

It might be something wrong with my hand or fingers. It might be because of the thick screen protector I use. Who knows? But it happened enough to be aggravating until I changed the gesture yesterday.

Submitted by Jo Billard on Sunday, August 16, 2020

I have never used my thumb and forefinger for the rotor gesture, which is probably why it is one of the few gestures I got after only a few tries. Whoever compared it to a spring dial, that was a perfect description. I use my first and middle fingers, and it works perfectly, I can't do the thumb and forefinger at all.

Submitted by KE7ZUM on Monday, August 17, 2020

I use my thumb and pointer, or index finger. And it works grate. And yes it is like a spring dial. I could not think of the correct term.