RichText Editor on AppleVis with Safari?

macOS & Mac Apps
Hi. I noticed that the RichText Editor on AppleVis does not work quite well with VoiceOver on OS X (10.7.3) in Safari. Basically, I can not really navigate inside the text field if the RichText Editor is enabled. If I disable it, editing new posts works just fine. Is this expected behavior, or am I missing something here? I am quite new to Mac OS X, so me missing something obvious is almost expected :) CYa, Mario



Submitted by David Goodwin👨‍🦯 on Tuesday, April 3, 2012

Member of the AppleVis Editorial Team

Hi Mario,

The rich text editor that we use on the site is called CKEditor. This was chosen because it is currently one of the most accessible for screen reader users. Unfortunately, this does not mean that it works with all combinations of browsers and screen readers <sigh>. That is why we have it set to disabled by default.

The CKEditor Accessibility Guide can be read here:

It gives some information on how to navigate and use the editor with a screen reader (although mostly for JAWS users).

I've just enabled our second choice of editor (TinyMCE), so when you next post to the site you will see an option labelled 'Input Format' just below the text field. You can use this to switch editors. I would be interested to know if you find TinyMCE any more accessible.


Submitted by Nicolai Svendsen on Thursday, April 12, 2012

Club AppleVis Member

In reply to by David Goodwin👨‍🦯

I'm using the Rich Text Editor right now, the one called CKEditor. The behavior is somewhat flaky, but it works fairly well. VoiceOver seems to echo characters that you enter regardless of punctuation settings, at least in my case, though you can use up and down arrow to review. VoiceOver also echoes the entire line when using command-left and right when jumping from start to end of a line, which isn't very traditional behavior. In any text area, VoiceOver behavior is usually to echo the word the cursor is on.


Incidentally, VoiceOver does not seem to report misspelled words or report the line correctly if you are not at the start of the line which has focus. VoiceOver also does not report deleted characters.


Using TinyMCeE, the behavior is very similar. This seems to be general issues here, and not any pertaining to the text editor itself. I'll bug this and probably use Applevis forums for reference, or if I can find a way to imbed both text editors elsewhere, give them a much cleaner sample of the page to avoid having to create user accounts unless you can post anonymously.


If you can work with the issues though, it's doable.

Submitted by blindgator on Friday, April 13, 2012

Hey guys, I have come across the rich text editors on several sites, and they are totally inaccessible using voiceover on the mac. Yahoo makes use of them, and I used to be able to switch it to a basic text editor, but that option has vanished. Makes me laugh considering how much yahoo access tweets about how accessible they are. I only use Yahoo for fantasy sports, and most of it is not accessible. I have figured out a few work arounds, but it really angers me considering how much they tweet about accessibility. I also have been attempting to use go daddy to edit a website, they also make use of the rich text editor, no other option, and it is completely inaccessible. I have been meaning to call go daddy about this, maybe I will get to it this weekend. No problems here typing away on the AppleVis site. Yippee