Learning how to use windows after being on Mac, any good resources?

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Hi,

so for several reasons I'd like to explore windows a little more but the trouble is it seems so alien to Mac OS that I can't work it with any certainty. Are there any resources out there that do Mac to windows explanations of using VoiceOver compared with narrator and using Mac compared with windows? What I'm looking for are analogues between the setups, so like the shift VO m combo to right click, and other such short cuts.

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Submitted by Justin Philips on Thursday, August 13, 2020

The above-mentioned combo or the physical right click button will do the trick. Again, windows is also stagnant in a way. It is also a wild west out there. You are not sure if software carries any malware. The apps in the windows store are for the most part inaccessible. Seems like the interesting things are happening on the mobile platform.

Submitted by StarTrekCafe on Friday, August 14, 2020

hi. well there's http://wwwgroups.io/g/win10, win 10 for screen readers. also http://groups.io/g/windows10AndJaws, and then well for then using applications key right click. that for that. setting up windows you can use windows control enter and use windows narrator.so hope that helps. also the phille for the computer groups at groups.io. hope that helps. never been a mac user. been using windows 10, for over 5 years. so if you need any help. happy to anser any questions. marvin from adelaide, australia.

Submitted by Oliver Kennett on Friday, August 14, 2020

That's great, thank you. I have to use windows for the 3D printing slicing software I'm using for my 3d printer but also find it interesting and slightly more intuitive in a way.

I've got it set up on a virtual machine at the moment which is a bit sluggish but feel it's the best way to flick back and forth whilst learning the ins and outs.

Submitted by Mabbs92 on Friday, August 14, 2020

Hi there! I'm not much of a Mac user--I'm just beginning to learn it myself--but I've been a Windows and JAWS user for 10+ years now. I'd be more than happy to help you out if I can! The nice thing about windows is that a lot of the keystrokes are universal to windows with or without a screen reader, so I can give some support regardless of what you're using whether it be narrator or NVDA or JAWS etc. :) Let me know if there's anything I can do to help!

Submitted by Devin Prater on Thursday, August 20, 2020

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I've switched back to Windows as well, and find that things are much faster, more responsive, and a bit more fun on Winodws, really. And there's less of the interacting, more of thegetting stuff done. Really, it's all about exploring the environment. Tab around. Use object navigation, in NVDA, or scan mode in Narrator. Read the documentation for apps, and any accessibility documentation. That's all ittakes. And yes, email lists and forums are great too. The huge thing on Windows is web support, for me. Yes, there are also games, and more programs written for blind people, more voices, better braille support. But web support on Mac is clunky compared to Windows with Chrome or Firefox with NVDA. I mean, just try Free Code Camp on both platforms, you'll see a difference.

Submitted by Brad on Thursday, August 20, 2020

I've tried a mac laptop about 5 or so years ago and found it to be clunky, windows does have its issues but it doesn't crash as much as people say it does.

If you need help; feel free to email me, I might not be able to help you with your program exactly but I'll do my best.

I'd recommend downloading NVDA: www.nvaccess.org and using that, it's free and works as good as jaws, you can download a jaws demo too if you like.

Submitted by Brad on Thursday, August 20, 2020

You can sign up to audiogames.net and go to the off topic room and post there, you should be able to get help

Submitted by Oliver Kennett on Friday, August 21, 2020

Thank you very much for all of this. I've been trying to run windows in fusion but it's so laggy and there isn't an easy work around for mapping the caps lock key to be the narrator key. I think I'll boot camp up a instance, thank goodness for an new intel MBA, and get my iPad rocking these resources.

I think it's behaviours that baffle me as I remember they did going from windows to Mac in the first place. Where you download the app file itself with Mac, most of the time anyway, you download executable files for windows to install the software. I think with all the tools I'll be able to sort it and yes, the allure of games is a big one too. Bring on sequence storm!

Submitted by Pepper Fox on Friday, August 21, 2020

You're gonna want NVDA. The nice thing about Windows is that an awful lot of the keystrokes you use are built into the operating system itself. What screen readers do is add additional navigation and review cursors as well as tts and commands for navigating uneditable documents, such as websites.

When in Windows, the alt key is going to be used quite frequently in order to move to the application menu (or the ribbon in Microsoft apps). If you have it, the applications key on the bottom-right of the keyboard will open the context menu. Otherwise, you'll have to use shift+f10. Alt+f4 is also an important command to keep in mind. It's how you quickly close apps and shut down the system. Want to maximise a window? alt+space, x. There are a number of other options in that menu for window control. Windows+D will take you to the start menu which now functions essentially as your dock. If you can learn one Windows screen reader, then you can learn most of them. They have a lot of command overlap, so the trickiest part is getting started. The hardest part is adjusting to a new way of doing things. Windows is pretty different under the hood and in the UI. Besides browsers, your apps aren't consolidated into one window. Virtual desktops are useful, and you don't get that wonderful wonderful unix file structure. Instead you have to deal with backslashes and drive letters and all that mess.