Hi,
So having a bit of stress over here with the books app. inconsistent issues are always the most stressful. When reading in the Apple Books app with my Vario Ultra 20, the focus keeps flicking back lines. This, as I'm sure you can imagine, is incredibly frustrating. Sometimes it doesn't happen too, but let's ignore that false positive for a moment.
I have noticed this does happen in other apps, there is a poetry app I just downloaded where the same problem occurs.
My question is, is this behaviour indicative of VoiceOver on iOS 16 and all brail displays or, as I am hoping, restricted to a handful of older displays such as my own?
I'm in the market for a new display but, if I upgrade to something like the BI20X and the issue persists, I'll be very, very sad... especially after spending £2000 on the brail display.
If people could sound off on experiences and display in the comments below, I'd be much obliged.
O
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Focus 14 (5th gen)
Same here with my Focus Braille Display. In addition it seems that VoiceOver quite often does not show me a certain part of a line so I only can read a half of a sentence. It is not a pleasant experience for sure.
Brailliant BI 40X
I used to do a lot of uploading PDF's (user guides and such) into Books for easy reading. Even before this new update, I found PDF reading with VO wasn't very good. For example, if you were in the Table Of Contents, and VO detected the text on a certain page, the display would freeze for a few seconds while the text was read aloud. I also couldn't use the Turn Pages When Panning feature on my display, now, I just do it into files. Based on what's happening in Books right now, I'm glad I started using Files instead of Books for PDF's!
Sometimes the display will freeze for a few seconds when first entering the area where the book is written, and VO sometimes takes sometime to realize what's happening, but then a bunch of words are split and speech will be going in and out constantly, and I can tell that if I could plug my USB headphones in right about then it would be doing that crackling thing it does when VO is having trouble keeping focus or something (still don't know the true origin of that sound but that's a different story). For now I have my iPad for Books, but it won't be forever it's stuck on ipados 15.7 until ipados 16 comes out. I really hope this gets fixed.
Clarifications
Hi, thanks for your reply. Interesting, as that is the big bro of the device I'm looking at.
When you say files for PDFs, do you mean the files app on IOS?
Also, are you using books on iPad os iOS 15.4? Are you having trouble there or are your descriptions of issues on iPhone IOS 16 books?
I really want to have this working. There is a world of text out there I want to read reliably and comfortably in brail. TTS just doesn't cut it for many things.
Clarifications
Yes I use Files app for PDF's
Ipad os 15.7 I said. I can read most books fine on my ipad, though some that just don't want to work since a long time ago, and the issues new on my iphone on ios16 that I described. I haven't found a workaround either.
Ah, my bad, 15.4/15.7…
Ah, my bad, 15.4/15.7...
Okay, well this, in some ways, is good news. The fact that it has worked in the past suggests that it should work in the future, once they've shaken it all out. I'll drop apple a line.
Thank you for the information.
Oliver,Here is just my two…
Oliver,
Here is just my two cents on the reading apps that I either use regularly or have tried in the past. Hopefully someone in this community can point you to a resource that you can tolerate so you can enjoy all those books! Yes, I'm running iOS 16 on my phone. Sometimes I'm a loser and do work-related reading on my phone.
Kindle
Text will not always wrap, and there will be an unnecessary amount of blank space. I also noticed that there is a delay if I manually pan. The tradeoff to not panning is that focus will skip ahead in the book. This seems to be triggered most often when I want to manually pan back a few lines to reread anything I might have missed. I tolerate it because I only use Kindle for my pleasure reading.
Apple Books
I cannot tolerate reading in Apple Books for very long. First, my phone needs to be in reach so I can touch the middle of the screen (where the text is). This isn't really a big issue for me, but compounded with the other issues I routinely have with Apple Books, it's something that I find irritating read. I find that the focus issues when reverse panning are multiplied tenfold in Apple Books. I also can't navigate by chapter because focus places me a few sentences before the start of the chapter. When I pan to the beginning of the chapter, focus jumps backward and/forward and I can't consistently return. Sometimes I can scroll by page and touch "chapter 5" on the screen, but that is so inefficient. I don't use the Books app unless I absolutely have to.
Voice Dream Reader
For the most part, I like Voice Dream Reader. The only thing I need to do is 1( touch the middle of the screen where the text starts and 2) put up with reverse panning focus issues. Nowadays, I would only use Voice Dream Writer for casual use.
Files App
Someone mentioned that they read PDFs in the files app. I don't because I find that I don't see line breaks. This is information I want, but it's a matter of personal preference.
Speech Central
I really like reading in Speech Central. I don't experience any unnecessarily weird spacing (unless the document is poorly formatted and tagged), and I can pan, reverse pan, and auto-scroll as I please. The tradeoff is that my reading position doesn't sync because I need to pause the text to read it with a braille display. I suppose I could set a bookmark and navigate to said bookmark. Bookmarks are designed for people who use text-to-speech. It's still useful to set booksmarks, but you can't just pick up a book and immediately begin reading where you left off.
Google Drive
I wouldn't read books in Google Drive for the same reason I wouldn't read them in Speech Central, but if someone shares a document with me, I'll read it in Google Drive before I move it to a more permanent place. I just pulled up a PDF to skim as I am typing this message and it works well. No large never-ending blocks of text to deal with!
Google Drive is good for…
Google Drive is good for reading docs, but in my experience always redirects me to Docs/Slides/Sheets, depending on the file format (document, slideshow, Spreadsheet), and there are some bugs with Google Docs especially, one which I mentioned in the Google Docs app directory comments, where the document will almost always throw you back to the beginning when you type a word or exit the text field and go back in, regardless whether you have flash messages on, but that seems to be fixed. You still need to put your cursor on the end of a word and then start pressing the next cursor routing buttons in order until the cursor is on a reliable space that you can actually write in (preferably at the end of a line), and then focus will jump to the beginning of the doc until you move out of the edit field and then back in, and won't happen again until you pan a few times and then move your cursor.
You still also can't reliably write in a table. Especially if there is a colon or other symbol (I find this worst with the colon, exclamation, and question marks because they're actually are the same symbols in computer braille as contractions in literary braille) it will somehow switches to computer braille, and when I try to type, it will mess it up in Literary Braille, and show up as which or this or the or whatever, but you can't delete that or start over, because it will keep getting worse. This is hard to describe but open google docs with a table and try messing up while writing in it, then backspacing the seeing what happens.
Another app I recommend for reading is the Dolphin EasyReader app, you can login to Bookshare or CELA or Calibreor a bunch of other ones. There are a few bugs when using a braille display, as mentioned at the bottom of the Dolphin EasyReader post (I have a lot of stuff at the bottom since I'm relatively new here), but they're not real dealbreakers, at least not for me.
HTH