iOS 10 Public Beta

hello to all running the iOS 10 public beta,
at the risk of violating my NDA, I won't discuss any info that apple did not make public, unless I am allowed to do so by Applevis. first off, their is a new pronouncation dictionary in VoiceOver. theirs new predictive audocorrection features, Siri is a hole lot better, and there is lots of new things like Siri being openned up to developers, and iMessage apps, and that also being open to developers.. what do you all think of the new developments in iOS? also, in the notes before posting, it says to not post any information about beta software. I reasently read on the Applevis blog, that this policy has changed? can you provide examples of what we can freely discuss about the beta, and what we cannot?

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#1 to the applevis edatorial team

it would be helpful for all of us, esspecially running the iOS 10 public beta if you can clarify and give examples of where we can go with iOS 10 beta discusssion and where we can't? this is my first post on the Apple Vis forum, so if I am doing something wrong, please tell me.

#3 thank you for clarfying

thank you, the AppleVis Editorial Team for clarifying beta testing, and what we can duscuss or not. I just don't want to violate the NDA, or have others do so because of me. Thank you, I appreciate the prompd response.

#4 So far...

So far I'm loving the iOS 10 public beta. One thing I can't figure out in message is digital touch. I think it may be accessible with VO, but i haven't messed with it a lot.

#5 loving the beta

loving the beta. it's smoove saling for me.

#6 IOS Ten Beta

I would like to try the beta, but the last one I tried messed up my phone royally. It's my only device. I suppose I could backup in ITunes and restore. I do have a backup that's a few weeks old. Comments are appreciated. I'm not sure how to get the beta but I will search it.

#7 joes opinion

that sucks that the ipod fifth gen can't do the beta but iPhone 5 can:P what a bummer:( :(

#8 Different hardware

The iPod 5's hardware isn't in the same class as the iPhone 5. iPod 5 has specifications comparable to iPhone 4s or the original iPad mini and neither of those devices are getting iOS 10.

I've been running the beta for a while now and have to say it's a very good update, even before apps take advantage of the new Siri and VOIP api's. THere's a lot of good stuff for VoiceOver users as well.

#9 Apple Beta Software Program

You can sign up for the apple beta software program at http://beta.apple.com. If you would like to downgrade back to iOS 9, there are some instructions on how to do that within the website. First, you have to click on the link that says "unenroll." Then follow the instructions on how to downgrade back to iOS 9.

#10 Do not install if you have only one device

Club AppleVis Member

I am running the iOS 10 beta on an old iPad Air, but I am keeping iOS 9 on my newer iPad Mini 4. As much as I am liking the new features, this beta is definitely not stable enough for use on a primary device.

My advice is that, if you have more than one device and want to try out the beta, go ahead and install it on whichever device you use less often, so that if things go wrong you will not be too inconvenienced. Whichever device is your daily driver should not be upgraded until the software comes out of beta in September. If you only have one iOS device, I strongly recommend staying out of the beta program, because going back to an earlier version of iOS is a hassle, even if you follow Apple's advice and make an archived backup before upgrading.

#11 beta discussion

I am not sure I understand the new guidelines. If the only thing we can share is, how good the betas are, or how bad they are this is of no use when testing and reportingbugs to Apple. If we can share bugs before just sending them off through feedback we would make the VO feedback in the beta much better for Apple.

Claus

#12 clarifying archived backups

I was looking on the Apple beta page, and it mentions doing an iTunes backup, and then archiving it. I was able to make a backup of iTunes on my pc, remember folks I'm running Windows 10 here. I was able to back up my iDevices, but there does not seem to be an archive backup option. So, if I were to eventually try the public beta, what are Windows users to do in this case? If something goes wrong do we just restore from an iTunes or iCloud backup? I'm pretty good about backups, so that's not a problem. However, apple specificly mentions archiving a backup, so I'll need a bit of clarification on that before I proceed. Thanks!

#13 voiceover audio rooting in iOs 10

Hi,
I read on one of the blog posts about a new accessibility feature in iOS 10 that allows the user to root voiceover through one device and the rest of the sounds such as music or media through another device. Am I understanding this correctly? If so, how can I enable this feature? I'm running the latest apple iOS 10 beta on a 128 gb iPhone 6, and I have a bose color sound link bluetooth speaker. So if I understand correctly, I should be able to root voiceover to play through the phone's internal speaker and have music play through the sound link. I think it's operator error on my part, but I'm not seeing any settings like this under sounds. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I hope this is within the topic for Applevis.
Thanks in advance,
Moop

#14 Siri query

I decided to try the beta on an old 16 gig iPhone 5. However, the home button only works when it feels like it. This is not due to the beta. I am getting no responses from Siri. I do have "hey Siri" turned on. How responsive are other testers finding Siri? It works perfectly on my iPhone 6 that is still running firmware 9.3.2.

#15 Sieri works grate

Siri works grate on my iPhone 6 16 gb, ios 10 publick beta 1

#16 Having trouble submitting feedback

So far, the beta is great. I haven't had time to play around with all the features yet, but VO and the whole operating system seems pretty stable to me to say it's beta software. I also love that you can get more voices now.

One thing I'm really having trouble with though is submitting feedback through the feedback assistant. I've made sure everything on the feedback form is filled out but it just stays in my outbox either saying uploading or upload failed, tap to retry. One piece of feedback I submitted this morning says uploading every time I check feedback, which would mean it's been uploading constantly for the last hour! Now I know feedback assistant gathers some log files as well, but I highly doubt they're that big. My wifi connection is fine and everything else works great, apart from this. Any suggestions?

Thanks :)

#17 iMessage is now a lot more fun

I have an iPhone 6s P and an iPad Air. Although I didn't try iOS 10 beta on my device, I like the new iMessage very much.Messages has other visual enhancements, including rich links and in-line video and Apple Music playback, as well as bubble effects, full-screen effects, handwritten messages, Digital Touch interactive greeting cards, Tap Back for quickly responding to a text, and Invisible Ink that you can swipe away to reveal a message or photo.

#18 Regarding audio routing

Club AppleVis Member

To the one who asked about VoiceOver audio routing in iOS 10, that feature is not part of the current beta. Remember that not all features announced by Apple are included in the beta, since they may not be done yet.

#19 IOS 10 Beta

I am loving the IOS 10 Beta. Works great on my end.

#20 Bluetooth

How the iOS beta works with Bluetooth headset?

#21 is Imessage more responsive?

Hi all. iMessage on the older 9.3 operating system is slow to start if at all, when raise to listen is enabled. Is this problem at all fixed in IOS 10? Thanks.

#22 Total newbe at reporting bugs

I love the beta for the most part, but can anyone offer basic tips on how to report things to Apple with the feedback assistant that's included? I've noticed some odd quirks which I probably can't get into here, but I can't reproduce them consistantly. iPhone SE 64 gig here...

#23 Good bug reports

The way I report bugs to Apple is the way that most bug tracker forms ask for them. This certainly isn't the only way, but here's an example (this is not an actual iOS 10 bug) Let's say double-tapping just stopped working for you. When you go to file the feedback, you obviously want to select that the bug is related to VoiceOver, and in the summary you explain the bug in one sentence (Double-tapping is not working). In the detailed description I split my report up into 3 basic sections:

  • Steps to reproduce: You outline where to go and what to do to cause the bug to happen.. In the double-tapping example you might say "Turn on VoiceOver, focus any element that can be activated like a button, and tap the screen twice with 1 finger."
  • Expected result: Explain what's supposed to happen IE "VoiceOver should cause the focused control to be activated"
  • Actual result: What happens instead "VoiceOver stays quiet and doesn't activate the control"

Below those if I have additional information that might be important, I outline it. In this case, if you have the hardware you should test if the bug effects just the screen or also keyboard and braille display commands to double-tap something, and write down your findings.

HTH

#24 Vague posts here

No offense, friends, but just saying, "it works great" doesn't tell us anything about your experience with VO on iOS 10. For those of us with only one device and not running the beta, may I ask that you be more specific? What about it is great? Are there any apps or features that are more accessible than before? How responsive is VO? What new things can VO do? Thanks kindly, fellow AppleVizzers

#25 feedback assistant on betas of iOS

so, to submit bugs to apple, use the feedback app and select compose or new problem report. then fill out the information, and submit. you have to do lots of navagation, as the feedback app and VoiceOver are not so polished, as one would expect.

#26 From what I've heard ios10

From what I've heard ios10 will free up more space for those of us who are running 16 gig phones. I haven't tried it to know as my secondary device is a 5th gen ipod

#27 I see many people using the

I see many people using the public betas. I hope they file every bug they find. I'm planing to try it myself but I have only one iOS device, not quite sure.

#28 Archiving backups

For those who don't know how to archive a backup, on the beta web site there is a link that explains how to do it. HOwever the process is quite simple.
You can only do this on a Mac computer according to apple's site.
Connect your device, from itunes select your device and make a backup on your computer, not iCloud. Then go to iTunes preferences and find the devices tab. There you'll find a list of your backups, find the one you want and open the contextual menu, VO+Shift+M and select archive.
That's it, that backup cannot be modified.

#29 We can't help it

If we get any more specific about the good things or the problems/issues/whatever, we get "polite reminders" of posting guidelines--not so subtle messages to be quiet about it.

#30 reverting to ios 9

So.... I didn't read directions and only have ios backups in icloud. I guess I can't revert to 9?

#31 I think you can but with no

I think you can but with no backup to restore from, you need to restore as new device.

#32 reverting to ios 9

But if I restore as new, how will I access my data in icloud?

#33 I'm wanting to revert as well

I'm wanting to revert as well, and also have data in the cloud but not on iTunes. Really wishing I hadn't "upgraded," but if there's one thing I am, it's patient. I'll stick with 10, even though some apps are not working at all and others not as expected. Hopefuly things will work out all right in the end.

#34 Reverting to iOS 9

Hello,

If you want to go back to iOS 9, you have to put your device in DFU mode. With the device connected to iTunes on your computer, press and hold the power and home buttons for 10 seconds. After about 10 seconds, release the power/wake/sleep button and keep holding down home until a dialogue box appears stating that your device must be restored. From iTunes, choose restore. That should download the file and install 9 cleanly onto your device. Unless you have an archived backup or one in iCloud, you will have to set your device up as new.

#35 this is why i'm staying with iOS 9

I'll be honest...I don't want to have to do all that just to restore my device. I guess i'm getting lazy in my older years, lolol!

#36 Unenroll your device.

Hello,

Don't forget to unenroll your device from the beta site should you decide to go back to 9. Otherwise, your device will still be registered as beta.

HTH and good luck.

#37 I notice when the beta

I notice when the beta installed I didn't have to go through that annoying hello setup screen! Here's hoping apple got rid of it or something.

#38 Loving the beta but I have

This Beta is great. I especially like all the new voices added to the iOS devices, and the feature that you can delete apps that you don't need for example stocks in my case. Just a question. In the WWDC, it said that in iOS 10 photos could be described. However, is there a setting for this? I mean, I took a photo with the camera app, and it's not describing the photo. Also, how do you activate the raise to view feature in the iOS 10 beta?

#39 Is any of you experiencing this

Is any of you experiencing this bug where if you stand over and app with voiceover, after one or two seconds, voiceover says actions available? Is this even a bug? If not, how do I turn it off, because it is somewhat annoying.

#40 That is not a bug, it's a new

That is not a bug, it's a new feature. There are actions available, just swipe up or down to see them.

#41 he's correct

he's correct. that is indeed a new feature they've added to voiceover.

#42 siri voices aren't showing up for me

I'm running iOS 10 beta, and I'm not seeing the enhanced quality of ANY OF THE SIRI VOICES. Hmm. I wonder why. I've done a complete clean about 4 times, and still no luck. However, the pronunciation dictionary is pretty cool. Instead of vo saying iOS, I made mine say "Windows" and for the back button, I've made it say "Minimize data screan" hahaha.

#43 I will wait for iOS 10 Public Release

I will not update my iPhone 6s + to iOS 10 until the public version is released for at least one week. I am still running iOS 9.3.1, and I've seen too many people reported kinds of issues and bugs when downloading new iOS.